Crush vs Snowball Dominance? - Guild Wars Forums

bergetl · Dec 27, 2010, 07:43 PM // 19:43

I'm just wondering which is more effective to farm.

I've seen a couple of posts here on the guru forums about SD, but I havnt seen really anything about Crush Spirits.

So yeah I'm just kinda wondering what the difference in the rewards is and I'm wondering what people thing is better to farm, or why to farm one over the other.

Dzjudz · Dec 27, 2010, 07:53 PM // 19:53

Probably:

SD if using two accounts.

Crush if using one account.

Of course, this depends greatly on completion time of either quest.

bergetl · Dec 27, 2010, 07:54 PM // 19:54

What are the average completion times for each?

Dzjudz · Dec 27, 2010, 07:59 PM // 19:59

Never done Crush, but I've seen reports of 3 minutes.
SD should be doable within 2 minutes on average (1 minute on /age).

Haodu · Dec 27, 2010, 08:33 PM // 20:33

Best I've done on a PUG for crush was 2:35.

SD and crush are pretty similar for rewards, but SD gives Ebon Vanguard while Crush gives more tonics

Kosar The Cruel · Dec 27, 2010, 08:36 PM // 20:36

SD for me (Derv char w/Necro Hero) takes on average ~2mins with the odd ~4min run when I get a random screw up.
Pugging Crush, Runs can take anywhere from ~3mins(Optimum time) to ~5-6mins.

SD seems faster but it can also be a bit more mind numbing as there's no one to really talk to to, you have to pay attention the whole time or risk screwing up.
Crush has been more enjoyable for me as there's always people to talk to about random nonsense and no one in any of the groups I've been in has gotten mad with a ~5-6min run.
If you need Ebon points do SD. If you want a bit more gold do Crush.

bergetl · Dec 27, 2010, 08:49 PM // 20:49

Can anybody else weigh in?

Thanks for the advice everybody who has answered though

LifeInfusion · Dec 27, 2010, 08:56 PM // 20:56

SD is more reliable. I did it to get my necro from r8 Vanguard to max, with runs from about 1 min to 1:30. I stopped when I maxed Vanguard.

I also got 2 min runs with my monk, but I didn't bother maxing vanguard on my monk since I don't use PVE skills other than seed and selfless spirit.

Lord Dagon · Dec 27, 2010, 08:57 PM // 20:57

i'd go with SD. especially if you have 2 accounts. with SD you only have to deal with one other person so if they suck/leave/go afk its only one person you have to replace.

with Crush you have to deal with you and 7 other people. So if people suck you have to go kick them replace and form teams and wait for others to get ready. And just with the general pugs suck idea SD is a better choice.

So either way i'd go SD(2 accounts or jsut 1). it just makes more sense form teams and time management wise.

(maxed ranger+necro vnaguard on this... necro is still going strong at around 308k vanguard points)

Iron Smerf · Dec 27, 2010, 09:51 PM // 21:51

Quote:

Originally Posted by Tobi Madera

i'd go with SD. especially if you have 2 accounts. with SD you only have to deal with one other person so if they suck/leave/go afk its only one person you have to replace.

with Crush you have to deal with you and 7 other people. So if people suck you have to go kick them replace and form teams and wait for others to get ready. And just with the general pugs suck idea SD is a better choice.

So either way i'd go SD(2 accounts or jsut 1). it just makes more sense form teams and time management wise.

(maxed ranger+necro vnaguard on this... necro is still going strong at around 308k vanguard points)

I agree, you should only do crush if you need to max the party title, as it rewards a large amounts of tonics.

Valerius · Dec 27, 2010, 10:00 PM // 22:00

I would say SD as well. Sure, it's incredibly boring, but the rewards/time ratio is great! With two accounts i'm easily making 80K+ an hour (25K/gifts, 20K/tonics)... with one account it's still pretty good at ~40K too.

I just hated Crush because it was so hard for a group to stay together. You would do two runs, then a person leaves, spend more time looking for another, then two leave after the next run etc etc... plus it's hard to findn a PUG that can do a run in under 3min :/

Lord Dagon · Dec 27, 2010, 11:35 PM // 23:35

ea at gift stacks 25k ea and tonic stacks 15k ea(i havent been able to sell for 20k ea since late saturday) you make 91k every 26 runs with 2 accounts.

thats preety good money. Not sure on crush's money/time ratio per run(i dediced to put SD at 3mins with 1min run time and 2 min loading time.. so its really about 2mins and 15secs.. but hey when you get done faster thenu planned you usually feel preety good

)

Bright Star Shine · Dec 28, 2010, 02:03 AM // 02:03

double account crush ftw

It's mindboggling though, hard to keep up with shit sometimes, but it's fun

usually do double account SD though, cause it's more relaxing and layed back, don't gotta go, *rightclick screen 1, hit 1, rightclick screen 2, hit 2$ spamming, which can be troublesome

Oh, and on topic, SD for sure, did the double crush for fun a couple times, but don't advise it

_Aphotic_ · Dec 28, 2010, 02:39 AM // 02:39

Crush definitely (assuming you get a good group, I've had a 30% bad/70% good ratio this holiday season, or go for SD if you need to max Vanguard points)

Good/Decent PUG's get done in 3-6 min range
Great PUG's get done 2:30-3 min range (I've gotten 2:29 before)
Anything above 6~7 mins you should probably leave if there's another group available.
Make sure you play the suggested classes too, they'll go much faster, but you don't have to (I don't) (They are Derv/War/Necro/Rit)

x15 tonic, x15 gifts, 750 gold

Snowball Dominance gets a little tedious, and it is a little slow, but that may be because the character I want to GWAMM (max the vanguard title with) is neither a Ranger nor Necro. With the tediousness, Crush is more fun since there are actual people you can talk with (the fastest group I've been in has also been the most talkative/annoying)

x5 tonic, x10 gifts, vanguard pts., 500 gold

Crush's rewards obv. outweigh SD's, and SD is faster, arguably you'd have to do your own calculations based on your own run times.
I'd take Crush anyday, though.

And just a thought:

Quote:

Originally Posted by Iron Smerf

I agree, you should only do crush if you need to max the party title, as it rewards a large amounts of tonics.

WAIT.... if you get MORE TONICS.... doesn't that mean you can SELL them for MORE MONEY...?

Lord Dagon · Dec 28, 2010, 03:03 AM // 03:03

Quote:

Originally Posted by _Aphotic_

WAIT.... if you get MORE TONICS.... doesn't that mean you can SELL them for MORE MONEY...?

haha i wish... sadly tonics aren't selling.. at all. its a sad truth.. last year the lowest it went down to was around 100g/per tonic. now.. your lucky to get 20k for them.. as thats the price you have 50 people selling and about 3 people buying.. well do the math.. some of them will say screw it selling for less.. and dry up the amount of people.

_Aphotic_ · Dec 28, 2010, 03:06 AM // 03:06

Quote:

Originally Posted by Tobi Madera

haha i wish... sadly tonics aren't selling.. at all. its a sad truth.. last year the lowest it went down to was around 100g/per tonic. now.. your lucky to get 20k for them.. as thats the price you have 50 people selling and about 3 people buying.. well do the math.. some of them will say screw it selling for less.. and dry up the amount of people.

Wait till things calm down(1-2 months from now, before Canthan New Year), and cross your fingers for sales.

Patience is a good virtue for any seller. Unless your selling at ridiculously low prices, of course.

That's what I do with ToT bags annually (rise back up to 50k at the beginning of each Halloween)

Spiritz · Dec 28, 2010, 10:34 AM // 10:34

Hasnt anyone yet seen the trend - regardless of when you try and sell your tonics they are almost worthless.
Players want spammable stuff for titles and even after last years wintersday there was that many useless tonics no1 wanted them.Even halloween tonics some of us are still lumbered with.
Tonics sadly are always one of the easiest things to farm but also one of the hardest to sell - and bygone days of selling frosty tonics for 50 - 60k a stack i think are long gone

AndrewSX · Dec 28, 2010, 12:12 PM // 12:12

I'd say:
SD if you're alone or don't have time/mind to find a suitable group for crush. Or for your vanguard title.
Crush if you need party pts and money over vanguard reputation, and have time to find a group and do enough runs with it. Or if you're bored of SD.

Dec 27, 2010, 07:43 PM // 19:43	#1
bergetl Ascalonian Squire Join Date: Nov 2010 Profession: N/A	Crush vs Snowball Dominance? I'm just wondering which is more effective to farm. I've seen a couple of posts here on the guru forums about SD, but I havnt seen really anything about Crush Spirits. So yeah I'm just kinda wondering what the difference in the rewards is and I'm wondering what people thing is better to farm, or why to farm one over the other.

Dec 27, 2010, 07:53 PM // 19:53	#2
Dzjudz Furnace Stoker Join Date: Jun 2005 Guild: gwpvx.com/user:dzjudz	Probably: SD if using two accounts. Crush if using one account. Of course, this depends greatly on completion time of either quest.

Dec 27, 2010, 07:54 PM // 19:54	#3
bergetl Ascalonian Squire Join Date: Nov 2010 Profession: N/A	What are the average completion times for each?

Dec 27, 2010, 07:59 PM // 19:59	#4
Dzjudz Furnace Stoker Join Date: Jun 2005 Guild: gwpvx.com/user:dzjudz	Never done Crush, but I've seen reports of 3 minutes. SD should be doable within 2 minutes on average (1 minute on /age).

Dec 27, 2010, 08:33 PM // 20:33	#5
Haodu Krytan Explorer Join Date: Aug 2005 Location: THE University of Michigan Profession: W/	Best I've done on a PUG for crush was 2:35. SD and crush are pretty similar for rewards, but SD gives Ebon Vanguard while Crush gives more tonics

Dec 27, 2010, 08:36 PM // 20:36	#6
Kosar The Cruel Krytan Explorer Join Date: Feb 2010 Location: Ontario, Canada Profession: D/	SD for me (Derv char w/Necro Hero) takes on average ~2mins with the odd ~4min run when I get a random screw up. Pugging Crush, Runs can take anywhere from ~3mins(Optimum time) to ~5-6mins. SD seems faster but it can also be a bit more mind numbing as there's no one to really talk to to, you have to pay attention the whole time or risk screwing up. Crush has been more enjoyable for me as there's always people to talk to about random nonsense and no one in any of the groups I've been in has gotten mad with a ~5-6min run. If you need Ebon points do SD. If you want a bit more gold do Crush.

Dec 27, 2010, 08:49 PM // 20:49	#7
bergetl Ascalonian Squire Join Date: Nov 2010 Profession: N/A	Can anybody else weigh in? Thanks for the advice everybody who has answered though

Dec 27, 2010, 08:56 PM // 20:56	#8
LifeInfusion Grotto Attendant Join Date: May 2005 Location: in the midline Profession: E/Mo	SD is more reliable. I did it to get my necro from r8 Vanguard to max, with runs from about 1 min to 1:30. I stopped when I maxed Vanguard. I also got 2 min runs with my monk, but I didn't bother maxing vanguard on my monk since I don't use PVE skills other than seed and selfless spirit.

Dec 27, 2010, 08:57 PM // 20:57	#9
Lord Dagon Desert Nomad Join Date: Jul 2009 Location: Inside the Oblivion Gate Guild: The Imperial Guards of Istan[TIGE] Profession: E/Me	i'd go with SD. especially if you have 2 accounts. with SD you only have to deal with one other person so if they suck/leave/go afk its only one person you have to replace. with Crush you have to deal with you and 7 other people. So if people suck you have to go kick them replace and form teams and wait for others to get ready. And just with the general pugs suck idea SD is a better choice. So either way i'd go SD(2 accounts or jsut 1). it just makes more sense form teams and time management wise. (maxed ranger+necro vnaguard on this... necro is still going strong at around 308k vanguard points)

Dec 27, 2010, 10:00 PM // 22:00	#11
Valerius Desert Nomad Join Date: Apr 2005 Location: Canada Profession: R/	I would say SD as well. Sure, it's incredibly boring, but the rewards/time ratio is great! With two accounts i'm easily making 80K+ an hour (25K/gifts, 20K/tonics)... with one account it's still pretty good at ~40K too. I just hated Crush because it was so hard for a group to stay together. You would do two runs, then a person leaves, spend more time looking for another, then two leave after the next run etc etc... plus it's hard to findn a PUG that can do a run in under 3min :/

Dec 27, 2010, 11:35 PM // 23:35	#12
Lord Dagon Desert Nomad Join Date: Jul 2009 Location: Inside the Oblivion Gate Guild: The Imperial Guards of Istan[TIGE] Profession: E/Me	ea at gift stacks 25k ea and tonic stacks 15k ea(i havent been able to sell for 20k ea since late saturday) you make 91k every 26 runs with 2 accounts. thats preety good money. Not sure on crush's money/time ratio per run(i dediced to put SD at 3mins with 1min run time and 2 min loading time.. so its really about 2mins and 15secs.. but hey when you get done faster thenu planned you usually feel preety good )

Dec 28, 2010, 02:03 AM // 02:03	#13
Bright Star Shine Furnace Stoker Join Date: Nov 2009 Location: Belgium Guild: Club of a Thousand Pandas [LOD???] Profession: E/	double account crush ftw It's mindboggling though, hard to keep up with shit sometimes, but it's fun usually do double account SD though, cause it's more relaxing and layed back, don't gotta go, *rightclick screen 1, hit 1, rightclick screen 2, hit 2$ spamming, which can be troublesome Oh, and on topic, SD for sure, did the double crush for fun a couple times, but don't advise it

Dec 28, 2010, 10:34 AM // 10:34	#17
Spiritz Forge Runner Join Date: Apr 2007 Guild: DMFC	Hasnt anyone yet seen the trend - regardless of when you try and sell your tonics they are almost worthless. Players want spammable stuff for titles and even after last years wintersday there was that many useless tonics no1 wanted them.Even halloween tonics some of us are still lumbered with. Tonics sadly are always one of the easiest things to farm but also one of the hardest to sell - and bygone days of selling frosty tonics for 50 - 60k a stack i think are long gone

Dec 28, 2010, 12:12 PM // 12:12	#18
AndrewSX Jungle Guide Join Date: May 2010 Location: Italy, Turin Guild: Lake Profession: E/	I'd say: SD if you're alone or don't have time/mind to find a suitable group for crush. Or for your vanguard title. Crush if you need party pts and money over vanguard reputation, and have time to find a group and do enough runs with it. Or if you're bored of SD.